The Murder of Nicole Lovell

August 11, 2025

In this episode, Payton and Garrett explore the chilling case of a teen whose online curiosity led her to trust a stranger, ending in her mother’s worst nightmare.

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I'm Payton Moreland.

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I don't have much for my 10 seconds. I had a migraine this morning and I was thinking about that big cyst that's in the back of my head. I think I'm going to go to a neurologist and double-check it, ’cause every time— I don't even know if they're migraines.

Basically, what happens is it starts on the right side of my eyes, and my vision slowly starts going, and I can see like particles in the air — really weird. And then one eye will go completely… just gone, and I can't see out of it. Then it moves to my other eye.

And after about 45 minutes, I can see again. So, I don't know. I'm gonna go get this cyst checked out that's in the back of my head, make sure I'm A-okay and good to go.

So yeah, I just thought I would update everyone.

And on that note, let's hop into this week's episode.

Our sources for this episode are teenvogue.com, people.com, 29news.com, wset.com, NBCNews.com, collegiatetimes.com, abcnews.com, vocal.media, Find a Grave, wsls.com, CNN.com, WDBJ7.com, WHSV.com, and CBS News.

Disclaimer before we begin: This episode talks about the murder of a minor, so please listen with care.

Okay, so bullying has been a problem for kids probably since the beginning of time. But nowadays, with how connected we are to one another through the internet and social media, bullying has seriously leveled up.

Now it doesn't have to be done in person or by someone you even know. Bullying can be faceless, anonymous. It can hide behind a screen and say horrible things through many different outlets. Which is why it is only natural for kids who are being bullied through the internet to turn to the same place for some kind of validation.

Side note: adults can bully too. You guys see social media?

Yeah, it's… it's a breeding ground.

It's a wild place.

At the same time, social media chat forums and messaging apps have also become a safe space for some kids — a place to connect with others who they feel are just like them, for them to speak their minds.

But that also poses a different sort of danger, because now kids don't have to be out in the real world to meet someone dangerous. They can do it from the comfort of their own bedroom. And the scariest part is that person could be disguising themselves as a true friend when they are anything but.

So let's dial back the clock to 2016. We are heading to the town of Blacksburg, Virginia.

In 2016 Virginia, 13-year-old Nicole Lovell is living with her mother, Tammy Weeks. For most of Nicole's life, it has just been her and her mom, Tammy. She's never really had a relationship with her father. He was in and out of jail for a lot of Nicole's 13 years of life at this point, which must have been really hard on Tammy, who was working as a nurse trying to support her daughter as a single mother.

Thankfully, Nicole had wonderful grandparents who lived close by and were always willing to help out.

Growing up, Nicole took a real interest in music, singing, and dancing. She actually had dreams of one day going on American Idol. And while Nicole brought this bright light, this breath of fresh air with her into every room she entered, her 13 years on Earth had been anything but easy thus far.

As a baby, Nicole was diagnosed with a rare tumor in her liver.

When she was just 10 months old, she went through a terrifying liver transplant surgery to save her life.

Something about babies having cancers really gets me.

Which obviously meant that every single day since then, Nicole was on an anti-rejection medication for the transplant — something she couldn’t live without.

But the medical problems continued from there. When Nicole was just 4 years old, the universe threw her another curveball when she was diagnosed with non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma, a type of blood cancer.

Following more complications, Nicole ended up in a coma for 6 months, where she then developed a staph infection.

So, needless to say, Nicole had spent a lot of her life in and out of doctor’s offices and hospitals.

Though when it came to school, Nicole had no interest in being there either — mainly because she was constantly getting bullied, particularly over the scars that her surgery had left on her stomach as a baby. That’s why she often had her mom write her notes to get her out of gym class, so when she was changing in the locker room, the other girls wouldn’t see the scars.

But this bullying took a toll on Nicole, who began posting things on her social media pages indicating that she didn’t feel loved, that nobody cared about her.

Nicole’s mom, Tammy, felt a big part of those feelings also came from the fact that Nicole never really had a relationship with her father. But Tammy seemed to be well aware of the challenges Nicole was facing at school and online. Nicole would tell her all about the bullying and how she was feeling down on herself.

So Tammy made sure that if she wasn’t home, Nicole’s grandparents were, so she would never be left home alone — that Nicole was always supervised, that she had someone there to love and support her even if she was feeling down.

Which is why January 27, 2016, came as such a shock to Nicole’s family.

That Wednesday morning around 7:00 a.m., Tammy went into Nicole’s room to get her up for school. Now, remember, she is 13 years old at this point. But when she went to open Nicole’s door, she noticed it was stuck — Nicole had pushed her nightstand in front of the door so Tammy couldn’t get in.

Whoa.

Now, obviously, knowing that at this point in her life her 13-year-old daughter was struggling, this sent Tammy’s heart racing.

When she finally got the dresser moved out of the way and entered Nicole’s room, Tammy saw that the window was open — and a blanket Nicole always used, one with Minions characters on it, was also missing.

Tammy had last checked on Nicole the night before at around midnight, when she came in and kissed her goodnight. So, she knew she must have snuck out sometime between midnight and 7:00 a.m.

But the question was: where did she go? And more importantly, did she actually sneak out on her own, or had someone forced her out? Had she gone out with someone else?

Tammy spent the day calling Nicole, but her phone was going straight to voicemail. So Tammy started calling Nicole’s friends — they all said they hadn’t seen or heard from her either.

Same thing happened when Tammy went door-to-door around the neighborhood. No one had seen Nicole.

But there was one thing that told Tammy that Nicole was probably planning to be home by that afternoon — Nicole had left her medication at home. The one she needed to take every single day for her liver transplant. This was life or death.

So Tammy thought, I just need to wait for afternoon to come.

Tammy went to the police later that afternoon and told them, “Hey, my daughter is missing. I’m hoping that she’s going to come home to get this medication, but if she doesn’t, this is bad. Like, it’s bad. She’s going to get very, very sick.”

And so the police immediately took Nicole’s disappearance very seriously.

They began searching the area and scanning Nicole’s house for clues that same day.

That’s when Tammy got a tip from one of Nicole’s friend’s parents.

One of her friend’s parents called and said, “When your daughter was over the other day, she mentioned that she was going on a date with someone, but I don’t know who.”

At this point, Tammy panicked. Nicole had never mentioned dating someone to her before. She’s only 13. She had no information to provide the police with beyond the fact that a friend’s mother had called and shared this.

At the same time, they decided to ask for the public’s help in finding Nicole.

Now, I’m not sure if you picked up on this, but Blacksburg, Virginia, where Nicole lives, is where Virginia Tech is — and it’s where they had a mass shooting back in 2007.

Okay.

So the community has dealt with heartbreaking crimes before, and they are pretty good at stepping up when the rest of the community needs it. Nicole’s case was no different.

By the following day, more than 1,200 people were out looking for Nicole.

And yes, I said the following day — which means she didn’t come home to take her medication.

Do you know anything along the lines of how long she can survive without her medication, or are you not sure?

She will start getting very sick. There’s not like a definite timeline, but she’s going to get pretty sick within hours of when she was supposed to be taking it.

Okay, so 1,200 people show up to look for Nicole. Volunteers bring drones to help with the search, and two days after that, local police finally get a call. That call is saying Nicole has been found — but not in the state anyone had hoped.

Ninety miles away—

Whoa, that’s far.

Along a highway in Surry County, North Carolina, right on the border of Virginia, someone found Nicole’s lifeless body.

She, at 13, had been stripped of her clothes and left on the side of the road.

God.

An autopsy determined she had been stabbed 14 times, with a fatal blow to the neck. Now, despite not having clothes on, there were no signs that Nicole was sexually assaulted. But I can’t imagine how Nicole’s friends and family must have felt when they got this news.

It’s interesting, because it seems like she wanted to leave her room. So, I’m curious if she was lured out — if something went wrong when she snuck out.

Right? I mean, yeah.

I think this is just especially heartbreaking because Nicole is someone who had already been through so much in her life. She had already fought so hard for her life by the time she was 13 years old, and now it’s just taken away.

Yeah.

And now something like this happens. “Devastating” is an understatement. But what this means for police is Nicole’s missing person’s case is officially a homicide investigation. And luckily for them, they actually already have someone in custody.

So, I want to back up a bit — just to three days earlier, the day Nicole was reported missing. Because local police were so on top of the investigation starting from day one, they actually had the FBI and the state police working with them on the case right away.

They quickly found something interesting in Nicole’s bedroom. Inside her closet, Nicole had actually etched something into the door. It was a message that said, “I love David.”

Now, of course, the name of the crush isn’t enough for the police to act on, but this wasn’t the only thing they found written inside the closet door. Nicole had also scribbled down all of the usernames and passwords to her online accounts.

Now, this is important.

That’s interesting, because Tammy had mentioned to police that in 2016 Nicole had spent a lot of time online — like most teenagers — but recently it had seemed to be ramping up a little bit more.

Did you ever write down your usernames and passwords?

I don’t think so, but I was the kind of teenager who had the same username and password for everything.

I just find that interesting. I think if I had multiple accounts — and accounts that my parents didn’t know of — then maybe I would have written passwords down.

Yeah. I guess I’m trying to figure out if she did it because she thought she might have been in danger, or if she did it just to memorize them, right?

I do also think though, like, 2016 was still a little bit early social media days for teenagers and parents.

And so Tammy tells police that since she knew Nicole was being bullied at school, she suspected that whoever Nicole snuck out to meet that night — probably to go on a date with — was someone she most likely met online and not from school.

So immediately, police logged into Nicole’s accounts to see if they could track her messages. And they found one app that Nicole had been using a lot in the days before her disappearance.

It was an anonymous messaging app called Kik.

Now, if you don’t remember Kik—

I don’t think I— it might have been before your time.

Oh my god.

You were obviously already graduated.

Yeah.

So you were probably just texting.

I’ve heard of Kik, but I don’t know much about it, to be honest.

Kik was definitely popular for me in middle school and high school. It was a way for people to message without their parents knowing, because parents at that point were still so oblivious. They didn’t realize that you could find apps to message and not use text messages.

Okay.

They were just aware of text and Snap. And some parents weren’t even aware of Snapchat. But WhatsApp, Kik — those were used to message people without your parents snooping through it if they took your phone.

Yeah.

So the FBI put in an emergency disclosure request with Kik to try and get Nicole’s messaging history. And what they found was that over the last several months, Nicole had been messaging a lot with a user who went by the name “Dr. Tombstone.”

When they got more information about the person behind Dr. Tombstone, they found that it matched what Nicole had written in her closet — the “I love David” — because it turned out Dr. Tombstone was actually an 18-year-old Virginia Tech freshman named David Eisenhauer.

How disgusting.

He’s 18 and going after 13-year-olds. That’s disgusting, man.

So, on paper, David definitely doesn’t seem like a guy who would cause trouble. He was a big high school track star, a straight-A student with a lot of charisma. Most people just saw him as the cocky jock who thought he was hot stuff.

David even continued his cross-country career when he went to Virginia Tech in the fall of 2015, while also working toward his engineering degree. But still, police knew he was a person of interest, considering that in the two days before Nicole went missing, their correspondence was at its peak.

So, Virginia State Police and the FBI paid a little visit to David’s dorm room the day after Nicole was reported missing. And while he wasn’t there, his roommate Jeremy was.

They sat down with Jeremy and asked him a few questions. What they learned was that on the night Nicole snuck out and disappeared, Jeremy noticed David putting on these big rain boots — even though it wasn’t raining outside — and then leaving. He didn’t come back to the dorm until after 2:00 a.m. that night.

Jeremy also told police that David had a knife he would leave out on top of his desk, though police noticed it wasn’t there at the moment.

Now, remember — this was all happening before Nicole’s body was found. So they didn’t even know yet if a knife was the murder weapon, but they had a real sneaking suspicion David was involved in Nicole’s disappearance somehow.

The next step in the investigation was obviously to track David down. They found him and brought him in for questioning later that day.

During that interview, David admitted he had been talking to Nicole on Kik, and he did go meet up with her at her home the night she went missing. But he said the second she snuck outside her window and he saw her, he realized she had been lying to him about her age — that he didn’t know she was a 13-year-old 7th grader.

Oh.

So when she came outside and he saw her, he claimed he left immediately, before they even hung out. At least, that’s what he claimed.

But Nicole’s Kik app told an entirely different story. As I mentioned, it showed she and David had been speaking for months. At this point, David didn’t know they had the entire history of their messages.

I think probably at that time, he didn’t realize that was even possible — like once something’s deleted, it’s not deleted. He thought he could say what he wanted to try to get away with it, but… not going to happen.

The messages also showed that she and David had met at least one other time before that night. Meaning, David’s story about showing up, seeing her for the first time, realizing she lied, and leaving — it didn’t track. He had come over a second time to see her.

Plus, when Nicole’s body was found on January 30th, police realized it was just four miles away from David’s grandparents’ house in North Carolina. That meant they believed they had more than enough to arrest the 18-year-old David for Nicole’s death.

He had admitted he went to her house the night she disappeared. He lied about her lying about her age. And the body was only four miles away from a place he could have been.

But even though they had just arrested him, investigators had only just started building their case.

The day after Nicole’s body was found, on January 31st, police searched David’s 2008 Lexus. In the trunk, they discovered blood stains on the carpet, blood on a snack wrapper, and a package of cleaning wipes. And perhaps the most damning item in the car — a shovel with blood on the handle.

After examining David’s computer, they found he had recently searched online for how to burn a body.

Oh my gosh.

And he had also searched for how bodies were disposed of on the TV show Dexter.

I’m confused… like, was he always planning on killing her? Did he just want to kill her? Was he scared because he knew she was underage, and then decided to kill her after— I don’t know, after he had sexual relations with her?

Motive.

Yeah, motive.

We’ll get there.

Following Nicole’s autopsy, investigators also learned David’s DNA was found under Nicole’s fingernails. So, the case against David Eisenhauer was really, really strong.

But there was something else found on the shovel — a bloody handprint that didn’t belong to David or Nicole.

They realized, “Oh, someone else is definitely involved in this.”

They found prints that also matched that handprint on a bleach container found in the backseat of David’s car.

So this just went from an older guy targeting a younger girl to a possible group of people targeting a younger girl, which brought the case to a whole new level.

When they discovered these prints, they found the owner very easily — because they belonged to someone David had mentioned a few times in his interview with police. He claimed this person was with him the night he bought the shovel that was later found in his car.

It was another Virginia Tech freshman — 19-year-old Natalie Keepers.

Now, Natalie was also an engineering student who had dreams of following in her father’s footsteps and working for NASA one day. But when she met David Eisenhauer, who was in her same program, everything changed for her. While they appeared to be nothing more than friends, it seemed like Natalie had kind of fallen under David’s spell a little bit.

After David mentioned Natalie’s name and hinted at the possibility that she was with him the night Nicole disappeared, police executed a search warrant for Natalie’s dorm room as well.

It’s there that they found a gray suitcase — and it was sounding some alarm bells for them. They opened it, and inside was a blue gym bag with blood stains on it.

Inside that gym bag, they found the Minions blanket that belonged to Nicole — the one her mom said was missing from her bedroom, the one she most likely took with her the night she snuck out. That blanket had blood stains on it.

So, the day after Nicole’s body was found, on January 31st, Natalie Keepers was arrested too, because there was now physical evidence tying the crime to both of these freshmen. She was charged with improper disposal of a body and accessory after the fact.

But with David Eisenhauer not sharing very much with police, there was still the question of what had actually happened that night — and why.

And someone will crack.

I feel like when you have young kids or young teens… people who are 18 to 25, whatever, I feel like they crack.

Mhm.

I feel like the fear starts to set in.

And they’ll all start ratting on each other pretty soon, right?

So, police kept digging. They wanted a motive, and they wanted to figure out exactly what happened that night. They found some witnesses who said everything that happened that night was actually not a spur-of-the-moment decision — which answers the question you were wondering.

It seemed, as police began digging, that David had actually been planning on killing Nicole for some time.

Holy crap, that is so wild to me.

One of the girls police talked to who helped lead them to this theory was an 18-year-old named Bailey Browning, who had also met David in an online chat room. The two had been communicating between December 2015 and January 2016, and in that short period of time, David had confided in Bailey that he had plans to murder a girl.

Would you tell somebody that?

Now, Bailey said David never mentioned Nicole Lovell or Natalie Keepers by name, but he did say he had someone who would help him in this murder plot.

Did she not think that was a little weird, by the way?

Yes, but I want you to keep in mind that sometimes when people talk online, it feels like fantasy world and not real life.

Yeah, I can understand that.

Like, although that’s weird, relationships can be created online that just don’t actually make sense in real life.

And people don’t realize that… like, if someone ever told me they were going to kill someone, I’d be like, “Oh, I gotta go. Bye.”

Yeah. Same.

But I don’t know. It’s not the first time someone has talked about murder online or confessed about murder and people don’t go to police. I mean, if you go on Reddit, there are some insane things on there that shouldn’t be on there — but here we are.

Yeah.

Bailey also told police that David referenced a friend who had “military knowledge.” Whether he was talking about Natalie or someone else, it’s unclear, but it proved that this wasn’t second-degree murder. If he had clearly talked about committing murder, it was premeditated.

That theory was confirmed further when police spoke to another one of David’s friends. This wasn’t some little dirty secret David was keeping — he was talking about this to people.

They talked to a guy named Bryce Dustin. The 21-year-old Bryce had met David six years earlier on a gaming site. Even though they had never met in person, they became extremely close over the years — playing games online, talking about life, giving each other advice. Specifically, David would go to Bryce with his girl problems.

Bryce told police that a few months before Nicole disappeared, David began talking to him about his problems with one particular girl he was seeing who was underage. David was worried because she was threatening to expose him if he didn’t agree to date her.

Okay.

So Bryce said he gave some interesting advice — he told David to just let this 13-year-old think they were together, and to just be a bad boyfriend until she broke up with him.

Clearly, David did not take this advice. Instead, David texted Bryce one day and asked if he had any idea where he could hide a dead body, and said something like, “Yeah, the original plan failed.”

What that original plan was is obviously unclear. One thing was certain, however — David had been planning this for a while.

And with David refusing to talk, there was only one other person who could offer up the details of what happened that night — and that was Natalie Keepers.

After a bit of pressure, Natalie started to open up to police about the conversations between her and David. She said that David had confessed there was this 13-year-old girl he had met online and had a relationship with. He also said he “might have had sex with her at a party,” but he couldn’t really remember.

By January 2016, he wasn’t just afraid she was going to expose him for statutory rape — he was afraid she might actually be pregnant.

That’s when Natalie and David started talking about ways to “solve” this problem. They decided the only way was to kill the 13-year-old girl and move her body across state lines to North Carolina, hoping no one would find her.

The only way. No other solutions. That is the only solution we’ve got.

So police were like, “Okay, Natalie, why would you help David? What does this get you?”

And she’s like, “Well, um, I’m pretty sure David’s a sociopath, and I think I’m a sociopath in training.”

What the—

So she’s like, “Well, we’re just two little sociopathic friends. What else would we do besides murder?”

The night before Nicole disappeared, they started plotting. They went to a restaurant called Cookout, and over some burgers and shakes, they talked about how they would execute this plan.

This is… crazy.

Absolutely devastating and disgusting. People like this exist in the world and find each other and are like, “Yeah, let’s just have some ice cream and talk about murdering a child.”

Like, right now, for sure there’s two people at McDonald’s just talking about how much they want to kill someone. And that blows my mind — and is pretty scary.

It is so interesting how many cases we have covered where two random people meet and then murder. And I think when you meet someone else like that, it elevates their thoughts, right?

Oh, yeah.

It takes it to a new level.

Probably would have taken some time to come forward — not saying they wouldn’t have killed — but I think it speeds it up.

Yes, I would agree with that.

So, they decided David would lure Nicole out of her home later that night. That night — as in the same night they were planning — he would drive her to a remote location and use a knife to kill her.

After they paid the bill at dinner, Natalie and David got in his car and drove to Walmart to buy a shovel. Then they went driving around, looking for a remote location for David to take Nicole to.

Then he dropped Natalie off at campus and went back out later that night to carry out their plan.

What’s helpful is that police were able to confirm most of what Natalie said about this encounter through David’s GPS on his car and security footage from inside these locations.

The GPS confirmed they went from Cookout to Walmart. Footage at both showed the two of them inside — first sitting and plotting over dinner, then purchasing the shovel at Walmart.

The GPS then showed them driving near Nicole’s house to a location off Craig Creek Road, which was believed to be the place David killed Nicole.

I mean, this is open and shut.

The GPS then showed them back at Virginia Tech campus that morning at around 2:12 a.m. on January 27th. But then, obviously, just like Natalie said, David left again — presumably when he dropped Natalie off — because she insisted she was not present for the kidnapping or the murder.

Instead, Natalie said that David came back to get her the following morning. They went back to Walmart, this time to buy cleaning supplies and gloves, and then she went with David to dispose of the body not far from his grandparents’ place on the border of North Carolina and Virginia.

With this confession from Natalie Keepers, prosecutors felt they had a strong enough case against both her and David.

Though it took two more years for David to go to trial, it was February 2018 when David finally got his day in court. The defense worked hard to try and pin a lot of the crime on Natalie Keepers, making it seem like it was her idea.

They pointed to evidence suggesting she was more involved — Nicole’s blanket and phone charger were found in her dorm room, and her bloody handprint was on the shovel.

They argued: how could her handprint be bloody on the shovel if she wasn’t there when Nicole was murdered?

It’s actually a good point, not going to lie.

But if she helped bury the body, she might have gotten blood on her hand while using the shovel.

Wouldn’t— I guess I don’t know enough about this… but she said it was the next morning. Wouldn’t a lot of the blood be dried at that point?

I mean, there’s more to it, but just thoughts out there.

They said David was actually easily influenced, and it was Natalie who was the mastermind behind this — that he never would have done it on his own.

They also called a psychiatrist to the stand who, despite never having met Natalie or David, said they didn’t believe David showed signs of psychopathy — but Natalie did.

Okay. Expert.

They said there was evidence David had a hard time making decisions on his own without guidance or clearly defined objectives, and that’s why they thought Natalie was the mastermind.

There was, however, a clinical neuropsychologist who had three sessions with David and somewhat agreed as well. They testified that David had autism spectrum disorder and would have been easily influenced by someone like Natalie Keepers.

But during cross-examination, the prosecution pointed out that David certainly wasn’t influenced by the police officers who interviewed him right after his arrest — as he lied to them multiple times about how he interacted with Nicole that night.

Now, regardless of who pressured who, all of the evidence indicated David was the one who committed the crime. Which is why, during his trial, David actually changed his plea from not guilty to no contest for those first-degree murder charges, and he was sentenced to 50 years in prison for his crime.

Okay.

Natalie was obviously up next. Her trial began seven months later. So sad, by the way. I don’t know…

She was pleading not guilty to accessory. Natalie’s lawyers argued that the only reason she participated in the discussion about killing Nicole was because she was afraid to lose her friendship with David. They also said Natalie was in love with David, and that the murder would have happened whether Natalie had discussed it with him or not.

But text messages exchanged between David and Natalie after the fact showed there was more to it. After the murder, Natalie congratulated David and said, “Heck, get some sleep because you deserve it.”

However, Natalie’s trial played out a lot like David’s did before he changed his plea — psychological experts, lots of disorders. There was one big reveal at Natalie’s trial, though: the medical examiner testified there was no evidence Nicole was pregnant when she died.

Still, that didn’t change the vicious nature of this crime. The jury took barely an hour to come back, and in the end, they found her guilty of being an accessory to murder. She was given 40 years in prison for her role in Nicole Lovell’s death.

It’s so sad because, as a mom, it’s just heartbreaking. She fought her whole life to keep her child alive — a child who’d already had such a hard life — only for her to be murdered. That’s a lot to process.

Well, and along with this, Tammy Weeks also really struggled with the motive. She asked, “Why would two pretty smart — academically smart — college kids target my 13-year-old daughter?”

Which is… I mean, it’s a good question.

They’re like, “Why would they have so much hate in their heart for her when they barely knew her?”

And it’s one of those things that’s almost unexplainable.

Well, I mean, there are reasons behind it, but—

I think this is the thing about bullying, though — whether in person or online — it’s typically a reflection of how someone sees themselves, not actually the other person. Because most of the time, bullying comes from a place of someone’s own insecurities, their own unhappiness with themselves, their own fears and doubts.

But the most dangerous bullies are the ones in disguise — the people who mask themselves as friends, as confidants, as a boyfriend online. They hide behind the anonymity of a computer screen.

So next time you chat with a stranger, just keep that in mind. You never know who could be on the other end.

If you or someone you know is being bullied, you can text CONNECT to 741741 for free, confidential, 24/7 mental health support.

I didn’t know this. Amazing.

Yeah. And honestly, that is the case of Nicole Lovell — but the motive actually makes no sense.

I really do think there’s just something wrong in their brains.

Yeah. No, they are killers, and I think they’re just bad people. Hopefully they never get out of prison and they’re there for the rest of their lives. Because — and maybe some people would disagree — but I feel like if you are doing that type of stuff at that age, it escalates.

I think as they get older, it gets crazier and crazier.

I don’t know… I think some people would disagree and say, “Well, their brains aren’t fully developed,” yada yada yada… but planning to kill someone at 18 is pretty wild.

But they also didn’t just kill another 18-year-old. That’s the thing too — they killed a child.

A 13-year-old.

Yeah, that’s young. That is so young.

And him being so scared because “she’s going to tattle on me.” You shouldn’t have slept with a 13-year-old.

Yeah, that’s the other thing. He was also sleeping with a 13-year-old.

Let me reiterate — you shouldn’t have raped a 13-year-old.

Yeah. Get out of here.

Like… I— there’s just… you can’t even— no. It’s disgusting. It’s gross.

And also, just keep in mind that at 13 years old, you see the good in people. You don’t have enough dating experience or life experience to think that people could be so horrendous to you. So there was no reason for her not to believe that he loved her or cared about her, especially if there had been a physical connection.

It’s truly heart-wrenching.

Yeah.

All right, you guys. That was the case, and we will see you next time with another one.

I love it.

I hate it.

Goodbye.

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